Thank you for your response… yes I agree standards have changed. I was pretty into the Crowley / Goth thing back in the 90s which was unheard of to any prior generation, and yeah I don’t get Gen Z tastes today.

I guess I’m not familiar with the incel “movement” — to me it has meant an individual who is involuntarily celibate — has no options. I know nothing about any antisocial group on the Internet that has sprung up around it.